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Hey, this is Ruben with the City of Stars podcast. Here I'm interviewing up and coming artists in the Las Vegas music scene. Let's get into today's episode.

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Hello, and welcome to a brand new episode today I am joined by

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Michelle Crisostomo of at magic shop. I am on Instagram Twitter Dee pop. Hi, thank you for having me.

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Thanks for coming. I've been really having fun with this podcast talking to just amazing artists is. And it's crazy because it's a very local area. It's very busy city and as all kinds of different art forms just people haven't heard about or just don't know about it. So it's been I've been having a blast with you. You know, just talking about art and just exposing your art out there because it's amazing art. Yeah.

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And um, yeah, I really work hard to like make jewelry specifically necklaces I am. I do a lot of wire work. So I'm crimping all of the beads and stuff myself. I curate all of the beads. I also curate like rings. I make my earrings. And yeah, I also do like very refined necklaces and stuff. So it's lots of fun. Yeah,

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so there's so much question I have to ask for you. But I just think like, how's it been having your own shop?

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Oh my god. Um, so I started during COVID Because, you know, a lot of people had lost their jobs, myself included. And you know, the world was just kind of shut off. So I was just thinking to myself, Okay, I have all of this spare time. Why don't I just make some jewelry and start a jewelry shop. And so I did that. And then I just kind of blew up on Twitter. And this was before Elon Musk bought it. So it was like when Twitter was good. And I was like going viral left and right, because what I did was, I was theming my jewelry specifically around Studio Ghibli movies, which I dearly love. I love house Moving Castle and spirited away. So I themed my jewelry around that and my house Moving Castle rings. I blinked and it was like 3000 people liked it immediately. And then it just kept getting bigger and bigger. I made enough to cover like, two semesters worth at UNLV. And like a month, it was crazy. And basically, I was still in school. So it kept going and going. But the thing is, so you know, finals in Fall Semester falls around winter, right? Yeah, you know what else falls around winter, the holiday rush because everyone wants Praesent? Yeah, so like, I would literally have all of my finals to do and then I would also get like 500 orders. And I'm just like, Oh my God, I don't know what to do. Like, I'm just like writing an essay on the left. And then I'm also like, packing orders on the right. It got so bad that, um, I go to a UPS store, right to drop off my orders. At one point, like, I had so many orders, right, like I had hundreds of orders. And I was holding up the line. So we had to come up with a system where I would just drop it off and then come back because they didn't want me to like, hold up all of these customers that were there. Yeah, so that was around COVID all the way up to like 2019 As the economy kind of changed. Things have gotten harder, which is understandable. Like people need to prioritize their needs. And like, you know, wages are not going up, but prices are and it's ridiculous. But um, you know, I still try my best, I still do everything. And I still make a lot of jewelry because I just really love to do it. And it's really fun. I actually had my first event recently, so a lot of like k pop groups like the fans here in Vegas, they love to do cups, live events, right? Whether it's for an artist his birthday. So um, a couple of events say they'll like, get a Boba shop, right? They'll collab with a Boba shop, and then they'll make cup sleeves, you know, to go around the cup. Oh, yeah. Okay, yeah. And then um, it'll have like pictures of the idol. So say like, stray kids six year anniversary, it'll have straight kids cup sleeves. And then what happens is not only me, but a ton of other small businesses as well are in the boba shop, and people can come and support their business and stuff and it's really nice. It's a really safe environment. Everyone just gets to be cool, enjoy the same music, eat some snacks and support small businesses and it's really really fun recently the event I did was it was a trading event. So people traded Pokemon cards as well as like Kpop merchandise and all that stuff. Sony angels, things like that. Same like group was organizing everything. And I made so much I made more in like a day than I did in like a month, which is really cool. Yeah, so it's like all the stuff that was just like sitting around because it's really hard to like get your name out there and social media. So like, since Elon Musk bought Twitter and changed the platform, completely everything just kind of nosedived. So I moved into Instagram, and I've been trying to build my following there as well, it's a little harder. But um, I just have to post consistently, every single day, I've been posting consistently, like, every single day, and I've been trying my best. And, you know, I just keep going, I just roll with the punches. Yeah, but um, my first event, it was just really cool to see people in person, love my stuff and admire it. And then like, ask about it. And then I'm also to just like, make that sale in person. You know, it's just like, Oh, my God, someone actually likes my work and wants to take it home. And it's just, it's such a wonderful feeling. And also, just to talk to people who love the same things you love. It's like, it's really, really amazing. Like, you get a sense of community through it. So I think I've made something really beautiful with my shop. And I really love it. Well, like,

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when you're making your, your, your jewelry and stuff, what's like the goal behind it, it's not just like, oh, people, like in to buy it. But the more personal behind,

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honestly, I make jewelry that I want to wear. It's the stuff that I like, because in my head, like, the reason I started the shop, I was like, Well, I love buying things. But the thing is, whenever I see something I'm like, okay, but number one, I could probably make it myself. And number two, I could make it better. So I make it, you know, and nine out of 10 times, like I just started this for fun, I was just wearing stuff that I really liked, because I would see other artists who are also jewelry makers, and I'm like, oh my god, their stuff is so beautiful. And in my head, I'm like, oh, shoot, I can't afford it. But I'm not going to like ask them for lower prices, because that's ridiculous. You should never do that with an artist like it's priced that way for a reason. So in my head, I'm like, Okay, well, I have the supplies. What if I make something of my own, you know, so I got heavily inspired by other artists, who we all come together in group chats and stuff, we try to promote each other's work. We're really like, it's a really beautiful community. We're not about like competing with each other, we're really about building each other up. So it's a really lovely thing to be a part of like, especially because if you're your own person, there's a massive difference between being a person who makes everything and does everything yourself versus like a company like Amazon, right? So it's like, you know, you could get a $9 thing from Amazon. And that's totally fine. Because I know not everyone can afford a $30 necklace, that's totally valid. But if you can set aside the money, it's definitely better to invest in a small business. And also, something I found is customer service is so much easier, like when it's with my shop versus like, if say I'm working for someone because they don't see a company they see an actual person.

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Yeah, it's it's more personal. Yeah. Me because I Amazon and you just like, click on it. Yeah, that's, uh,

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yeah, exactly. And it's like, I love to, I love to make people feel like they're getting something that straight from me, it's not just like an order that I'm filling. It's not just about the money. So like, I handwrite my notes, I like to give a lot of stickers. If I can afford it that month, I'll give like little freebies and stuff. I really love to do that something. I've seen other shops who are similar to mine do sometimes they'll put in little candies and stuff. So it's just really fun. Yeah, and it's just like, where else are you gonna get that Amazon just gives you a box, you know, and then it's just like, it's fine. I guess it gets the job done. But it's like, the personality behind it. You know, like, I find that the thing me and a lot of other small businesses have in common is we truly love our customers and care about every single one of them. So it's like, it's always just the hard work, the love and the dedication, because we know that we can't do what we do without them. So I really love all my customers, especially the ones that come back, I noticed that a lot of the customers I've had since the very beginning, they still repost my stuff, they still support me. And they're always saying like, Oh my god, I really love your stuff. I can't afford anything this month, but I really hope that you make sales and it finds a good home and I'm like, Oh my God, thank you like, they're just so sweet. And they're so supportive. So it really does mean a lot to me to have that support. Yeah. And

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you had a lot of support on Twitter. I did.

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And quite a bit of them did follow me into Instagram. It's just the algorithms. They're completely different. So we talked about that. Yeah. How come? Because different developers for one thing, also different platforms, right. So it's like obviously, when you for example, if you go to Target it's not gonna be the same thing as when you go to Walmart, right? It's a completely different atmosphere, a completely different landscape. They're gonna have different deals. Same thing with social media. There. Gonna have completely different algorithms like Twitter is mainly focused on tweets. And unfortunately, since Elon Musk bought it, you're more likely to go viral if you pay for a subscription to a verified account, which I'm not going to do personally. Yeah, he's all about making money, which is really stupid. Like, I don't like how Twitter is now. I mean, I'll go on it for, you know, personal reasons, just like look at the news and stuff. But it's like, as a shop owner, it's just so hard to even like, get a tweet without paying a couple dollars for like one thing. Like, that's how it works. Now, it's not worth exactly, it's not worth it. Because like, even then it's like, I'm paying for a thing for people to see. But how many of those people are going to actually buy something, it's not a guarantee versus like, Instagram, like, I know, I can get on for you pages through reels because they're trying to push that more, they're kind of trying to become like Twitter. And also, a lot of people compare reels to tick tock and a lot of people have been telling me to go on tick tock. And the reason that I don't focus on it too much is because the hardest thing ever is to try and transfer one audience from one platform to another. Because say, people are like, Oh my God, I don't like reals. It's literally just tick tock with like, extra steps or like, people are purist. They like what's comfortable. So it's like, if I build a platform on tick tock, sure, they're gonna see my stuff, but how are they going to buy it versus like Instagram, people can literally hit me up on my DMs and be like, hey, I really love this necklace. Can I buy it? And then what I usually do is I'm like, Yes, of course, do you want to pay through PayPal Venmo or Zelle. And I do the whole transaction through them. And they rest easy knowing that they can talk to me directly about their orders, they can ask me updates on it. And usually I send them their tracking info, and then it's, it's done, it's very easy. And then all of their information is still there. Something I like to do personally, is I delete the chat. So that way I protect people's information. So I don't keep anyone's addresses or anything like that. Yeah, cuz like I know, safety is a huge thing. And also, it can be very easy. Like to be a little nervous about that stuff. Because it's like, Oh, my God, I'm literally just sending this person money. And yeah, it's like, but um, people are very trusting. And I don't scam people. I like actually send them stuff. Oh, yeah. And like, I have people who review my stuff. So it's like, okay, yeah, here's people like, you know, wearing my stuff. So they can rest easy knowing, like, Yes, I am a real business. And I do make things and I am going to, like, send it to you and everything. So it's nice. The reason I haven't gotten a website, which a lot of people tend to ask me about is because websites are very expensive, you pay per visit. So it's like every person who visits so you have to have a really steady income and following to get a website. And I'm just not there yet. Right now. It's my business. So you know, that's why I do everything through Instagram. And also Depop. Because Depop does not charge you as a seller for selling things. It's like a very small fee. A lot of people want me to go on Etsy as well. But Etsy has a lot of massive prices for people who like sell really, yeah, there's like fees that you have to pay in order to sell on that platform. And it's just like, I'm just trying to make enough to not starve. Yeah, you know, and like, I live with my parents. So it's a little bit more manageable than say, If I lived by myself in an apartment, which I'm super grateful for. I love my parents. They're very supportive of my business. They came to my event and they were taking pictures. They're like, Oh my god, we're so proud of you. You're literally like selling jewelry and stuff. And I'm like, Oh, thank you. Like, my mom. Especially she's always wanted like, something of like a small business or a restaurant or something. So she's always super happy and supportive. made jewelry. Yeah. And it's, it's so funny because like, sometimes I'll look at my jewelry. She's like, Oh my god, like, can I and I'm like, Mom, I need to sell this stuff. You can't just be taking things and then she's like, No, no, I'll buy it from you. But like, that's my mom. Like, I can't just be asking. Like, it's different. Like, I can't just be like, okay, Mom pay me like $50 I'm just gonna be like, Oh, friends and family discount. Like, you know, like, she literally raised me like, how are you going to expect me to charge my mom? Yeah,

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well, you want your business to go outside your house? Yeah, exactly. You know, stores. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

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And it's just, it's just really cool. I think there was one customer I remember that would she followed me from Twitter to Instagram? Um, she doesn't buy as frequently anymore, but she bought so much jewelry. I think she literally helped me pay my entire tuition. Wow. Yeah, she bought like 1000s of dollars worth of jewelry. She literally like she sent me a picture. She's like, I gotta set up For all the jewelry that you make, and it's like, it's a literal jewelry box, there's a corner of a room of jewelry. That's all from my shop and I, I wept. I was so happy. Yeah. And I wrote her a letter and I told her like, everything that I was able to buy because of her everything I like I told her, it's like, because of you supporting my shop, you literally helped pay for my tuition. You helped me get my first designer piece. I really love Vivienne Westwood. And I was able to buy like my first piece from Vivienne Westwood because of her. So yeah, it's just, it's really incredible. And the thing is, I don't know if this girl is raised, or if she just really, really likes my shop. But it's just like, wow, I can't believe this person is so committed to supporting me and stuff. And it's just, it's really amazing to see that, you know, and sometimes I'll still get DMS too, because like, now that business is a bit slower because of the economy. It's kind of hard to like, keep going sometimes. But when I try to promote myself, every now and then I'll get customers who come back, and they're just like, Oh, my God, I still wear your ring every single day. Like it is my favorite thing in the whole world. And I'm so happy you got it for me. And that is more than enough to keep me going. Like it's not about the money or like, you know, it's just, if anything, I'm not trying to be rich to be rich. I just want to live without struggle. You know, oh, boy. Yeah, that's a lot. Yeah, that's, that's literally all I'm asking for. I don't even need to be like a millionaire or anything. I just want to like, not worry about bills for the rest of my life. That'd be pretty cool. But um, again, like, it's just, it's not about like how much I make or trying to be the next entrepreneur or on Times magazine or something, it's just about the way that I can make someone's life so much better, just from like this really little thing. Because the rings that I made for house Moving Castle that sold so much, I found that there were a lot of people from the LGBTQ plus community who loved that movie. And that movie really made them realize how much that they can not only love and accept themselves, but it's okay to be who they are. So I would get, um, I get a lot of queer couples like asking me for like matching ring sets. And I just thought it was so beautiful. Or like, my favorite is Valentine's Day, because all the boyfriends would flip my DMs and they're like, Oh, my God, my girlfriend really, really, really wants something from your shop. And I'm like, I got you. I got you. Do you want a personalized note? Do you want like, like, what do you need to write her? Like, what do you know? Yeah, and it's, and it's honestly just so sweet. Because I'm just like, Oh, my God, like, like, guys don't think about this stuff that hard. You know what I mean? Like, I'm sure most guys that just want to go to like sales or whatever, and just pick something up. They're like, yeah, and which is fine. But it's just like, they're like, No, I remember my girlfriend like this really obscure shop that I found on Twitter. And I have to look that up. So that way I can get it for her. And then they'll get it like weeks in advance. So that way, it could come in time for Valentine's Day, or their birthday. And it's honestly just the sweetest thing ever. I'm like, oh my god, like they really they really love their girl like that. And I'm just like, Yes, I'm so happy to help you and your relationship and like, provide that for you. Because it's really just so beautiful to see people care so much you know about someone in their life, and just be like, hey, so if it's not too much to ask, Can you wrap this a certain way? Can you write a note? Can you do all of this? And I'm just like, I will do that and more. Don't even worry about it, you know? And they're honestly just so sweet. And also just imagining the reaction on their girlfriends faces like, What do you mean, you got it? It's literally sold out. And they're just like, um, I know somebody and then I'm just like, um, that's somebody I literally got that. Like, I did that. Yeah, I save that relationship or like, Oh, I'm the reason they're married. Like, probably not, but it's just like, it's so nice to like, have that feeling. You know, and I can only imagine how many memories are connected with that. Yeah.

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Because you make meaningful products. Yes. Think about like, Amazon. It's like, okay, you can get things but it's not like a personalized experience. Yeah, I bet can't find that. on Amazon. No. Well, you have right here right now. Yeah,

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like my phone charm. Yeah, you really can't. And the thing is, the struggle. I haven't encountered this personally, thankfully. But other businesses, they often find that there are people who are mad about their pricing, because yes, it is more expensive people but the thing is, people are just used to, you know, industrialized labor. Like, if something's if a phone term of mine is like, made similarly, but it's only like $5 that is someone who's from a sweatshop in China, who's being like, abused, you know what I mean? So it's like, I mean, don't get me wrong. I don't think every person who buys fast fashion or anything should be poor. furniture that because, again, not everyone can afford a $30 phone charm or like a $50 necklace. But also, it's like you have to be aware as a consumer, why something is as cheap as it is and where it is coming from. Because if you can afford to, like, buy more ethically and you choose not to, then there's a problem. That's the big problem. The problem isn't like say someone who is of a lower income family buying fast fashion. The problem is when there are rich people who will buy 1000s of dollars worth of really cheaply made material, because they're just supporting that when there's no reason to.

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Yeah, it's when they purposely like feed into the machine. Exactly.

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Exactly. And, you know,

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when they support local artists and local businesses, they just go straight to them. There's no middleman there's no like, yeah, offshoring.

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Yeah. And then the thing is, it can just grow from there. Because my whole thing, so my friends helped me out with my event, right? And they were just like, Oh, Michelle, like we're just gonna help you. I'm like, I'm paying you. And they're like, no, no, you don't have to. I'm like, Yeah, I am. Yeah, legally, I have to pay. Like, I don't care if they're literally my best friends. Like since some because my friend Daphne, who I love so dearly. She's been my friend since high school. She literally helped me set up she lent me a table. She lent me like so much stuff. She literally bought stuff on behalf of me to like, help with my shop and everything. And I was just like, Girl, like, I can't not pay you. Oh, my God. And she even made these little keychains, too. And then I was like, You're keeping 100% of those profits? Because you literally made those. And so that's what you know, she didn't she's like, Oh, no, I don't I'm like, no, no, no, you made keychains. And you're selling them for $10 You're making you're literally making all the profit there. None of that is going to be because you literally made

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it. But that's the thing as well as, okay, like, again, the keychain was 10 bucks. But if you're going to Amazon, you can find it. But with tags and delivery, it's almost the same price. You might as well spend another dollar or so in support to a good cause. Yeah, exactly. Not, it's really not that bad. You know, like, it's more expensive. I'm like, I really, if you really break it down, it's like, what? 10 more dollars.

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Also, when you think about it to like, Amazon, is it like are these companies really that cheap? Because, for example, I know recently with Amazon Prime has ads now which I'm just like Jeff Bezos, you're a literal billionaire. I know, damn, well, you do not need this extra money that you're getting for people paying extra for no ads. There's no reason for that. I'm like, Sir, are you not rich enough? What, what are you doing with this money? Like, I don't know. Not to get into, like consumerism and everything. But like literally every billionaire in the world, they could fix poverty, and they wouldn't even notice how much of the money is missing in their bank accounts. Because it's just that little. There

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was so one, it blew my mind. They're like, you know, Elon Musk, you know, he only he could literally solve world poverty before like, a fifth of his income. Exactly. I'm just like, you know, you make a really good point. Yeah.

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And also, it's like with, with that in mind, there's no reason that anyone should even be working in a sweatshop and literally putting their life on the line for such dangerous conditions, because that's the thing that really gets me like, and it's so hard to avoid, because obviously, like, Amazon has become kind of an essential nowadays, you know, we need it everyday. We can't avoid like, buying from these really like unethical corporations. Because the fact of the matter is, where else are you going to get it? You know, it's so difficult to like, jump through hoops, and the everyday person doesn't have time to do that research doesn't have time to do it. So it's like, I don't I don't hold it against anyone, when they just don't realize what they're feeding into. Because nine I mean, when are you going to have the time everyone has a nine to five job, people have kids, like they have other stuff to worry about.

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That's the thing is, there's just so much in life, the last thing you thinking about is was the ethics behind this Amazon purchase just like I I lead something difficult, you know,

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and even if you do, it's like, I mean, I do not make nearly enough to shop ethically all of the time. Like, I'm no millionaire. And I'm not. I'm not in a six figure salary or anything. Like I, I have to buy, like, you know, fast fashion if I have to, if I'm like running out of like clothes or something like it's just, it's just part of life, you know? So it's like, it's not necessarily about oh, you should never buy this ever again. It's just more about being more conscious about where you put your money. Like I truly believe that you vote with your dollar and that's been really prevalent recently. I don't know um, is it okay if I talk about the thing going on with Palestine? That's fine. Yeah. So um, you know, a lot of people have been some courting Palestine and boycotting companies that support Israel, right? Because Israel is making it seem like there is a war against Palestine when in reality, they're committing genocide on Palestine and trying to eradicate everyone there so that way they can take the land for themselves, which is not good. No, we're not here to support genocide. So a lot of people, they've been boycotting companies who give money to Israel and fund that. So for example, McDonald's is a company, Starbucks is a company and I saw a report that said, like, I think their sales dropped 30%. Wow. Yeah. Like, and also, I stopped eating both of those. Since then, because we don't support genocide. We think that the people of Palestine should be free and should live in their land, you know? And

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that's the thing is, you know, your argument is it to you it may be a little more expensive, right, but there's so much good. That's okay. You may not be going to Starbucks anymore. But there's amazing, I think better coffee shops out there.

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Exactly. You're literally you could literally support a smile. That's the

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crazy thing. You get the same, I think better to be honest, better products out there. Okay, it's five more dollars, three more dollars.

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I mean, not even that, because like, yeah, Starbucks and McDonald's. They're massive corporations. And in this economy, the prices aren't even that cheap anymore. There's so many other places to shop. That's

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the thing. We have options, we have choices. Yeah. And with you, it's like, okay, yeah, my jewelry may be a little more expensive,

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but I'm not funding genocide. But that's the thing is,

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you're a good person who has great, you know, who you know, does good things, like, you make art that's very meaningful, you know, it's very, I

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also try and donate as much as I can to my cause. So, every month I donate to pride charities, specifically an equality program that helps find homes for transgender individuals who've been kicked out of their homes. So I donate to charities like that. I donate as much as I can to homeless shelters as well. I tried to do as much as I can. It's a little harder now, like I said, because of the economy, but like, I tried to do my part. Because if I am making like an excessive amount of money, like, I feel like I owe it to just like the world in general, just pay it forward. You know what I mean? Just hoard everything. It's important to like, you know, give back to the community. And

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that's the thing, you are making a difference to you individually, as a shop creator. You're doing it. So you're you're legitimately doing, you're doing what these billionaires can't do. You're actually helping someone and even if like you're a small donation, that helps house people helps feed some literally, that's a great thing. Like there's again, there's no middleman, there's no complications. While you're doing that. Yeah,

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fun fact. So you know how sometimes companies ask if you'd like to round up your dollar for a donation and stuff? Yeah, fun fact, they've already donated the money. That's just them trying to make the money back. So nine out of 10 times, are you really donating? Or are they just trying to get money back from you? No,

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that's the key. That's the thing is, it gets so messy with the bigger companies if people take the time, but it's you know, but the time you spend on Amazon, you can be on Etsy, you can be on Instagram. Yeah. And the thing is, there's so many amazing shops out there. That's a crazy thing. I bought, you know, like the sure I got it from Etsy. It's a custom shirt bomb. Like I love it. And that's the thing. It's just as expensive as a shirt from Amazon. Exactly. You might as well support a local artist for a good cause. And the quality is amazing.

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Exactly. And that's another thing too, when you support a small business, everything is personalized to you. So I remembered corsets were a really big trend, right? I didn't want to buy a fast fashion core set, because number one, of course said it's only supposed to be uncomfortable at first if you're not used to it, but over time, if it's fitted for you, it's supposed to be like nothing, and that's exactly what mine feels like. But if you get it from fast fashion, if it's like small, medium or large. Number one, it's probably not made for your body type. And if it hurts, and you feel like you can't breathe, that's not supposed to happen. Like it's not good. So what I did was I went to Etsy, I found someone who made corsets herself. And I got this beautiful one with like, a Venus painting on it. And it was a nice like, it was just underneath like the ribs. It wasn't like a full blown one because those are really expensive. But um, I paid full price for everything and she asked for my measurements. She made sure she sent me pictures of the process. And by the time I got it, I was like, oh my god, this is the best thing ever. And that was seven years ago. I still use it to this day

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and that's the thing you're buying, not just meaningful, personalized, but sustainable products exact like people still have those rings they still Have the jewelry that fills up their box. Your chorus set is alone as a testimony that's exactly about local artists. They're not as big right? So they don't have as many orders. But you know, that means they have more time. Yeah, they could take care of the products more. They could put more caring and there's like, oh, what's it out of the top of the assembly line?

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